2/95th Rifles Forum Forum Index 2/95th Rifles Forum
Forum site for 2nd Battalion 95th Rifles Re-enactment Society
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   Join! (free) Join! (free)  
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Main Menu
Forum Articles
Forage Caps
The Poisoning of rifleman Crow
Before the D tin
The Drill Taught to the 95th (Rifle) Regt.
Another... Baker Rifle Inert Question (Quality and Imports)
Fatigue dress-when worn
Black buttons and N.C.O.'s chevrons
Rifle sections in Line Regiments?
Links Menu
Forum site for 2nd Battalion 95th Rifles re-enactment society
Forage cap?
Could this be a forage cap like ours? Its a pic of an anonymous soldier after Waterloo, sketched by a surgeon. He was wounded in the shoulder, so that red thing on his head may be a tuft.

It looks the part and doesn't correspond to the 'hospital caps' in the other plates. Its from,
A surgical artist at war, MKH Crumplin (great name) and P Starling, Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh, 2005.

Do we have any Riflemen in Edinburgh? The originals are in the college foyer..
Forage cap?
Got to get this guy's artwork!

At first I was wondering if he was perhaps a Portuguese or Spanish soldier but then came across this as I read the wonderful Costello memoirs. Here he is comparing the veteran riflemen's appearance with that of new recruits fresh out of England:

".....[a] contrast to our fierce embrowned visages, covered with whisker and moustachio,..."
Forage cap?
The red thing on top - a tuft - of what, do you think? Can't make out in the photo. Is it a tuft of the cap's material gathered up?

Forage cap?
I thought it was one of Pancho Villa's voltigeurs... ahem.
The facial hair in these plates is pretty evenly distributed between the combatant nations, and this is in the hospitals after Waterloo. So much for cleanish shaven English yeoman. I'm going to grow a big bushy moustache.
What always surprises me in contemporary French prints is how soon the 'Imperial' goatee/tash combo came in. It is usually cited as a 2nd Empire fad led by Napoleon III's example. But it crops up repeatedly from 1812 onwards. I submit that the Napoleon III 'Imperial' was an apeing of a fashion of his youth, a revival.
I have come across very clear evidence that there was a distinct Regimental moustache sported by all Rifleman sergeants. This was pretty much obligatory and I have to say,

A pic of said moustache.

Forage cap?
About the tuft. What you said.
Forage cap?
Looks a bit French to me...

I tried to upload a piccie but my computer is rubbish!

Anyway, there's a picture by Leopold Beyer called "French Soldiers in Rags" and 2 of them are wearing forage caps (3rd & 5th from the left).  Both of these have ear flaps like the wounded soldier, one of them has the flaps down and the other with flaps up.

Not an exact match but closer than anything I've seen with an English soldier underneath.
Forage cap?
I think I know the cap you mean. If I'm thinking of what you're describing its the so-called pokalem cap which became the standard issue fatigue cap to replace the bonnet de police after the Bardin (1812) regs came into force. Its close to the hospital pic, but not an exact match cos it has a front flap as well as the side ones. Plus, it was in regimental colours with lace of facing colour, so usually blue. Heres a pic from the French 85th re-enactment group's site.

forage cap
looking at the forage cap a different way i have a sneaky suspicion the design was left over from original light company headress.1791-1800.
Unfortunately i'm unable to show pictures but if you look at Philip Haythornthwaites British Infantry of the Napoleonic Wars pg 26.
He describes the cap- with a pleated crown of 'natural leather` enabling it to fold flat with front and rear faces of glazed black leather,sometimes adorned with feathers or an animal tail.
With the desgn already there can easily be retained made from cloth after the intro of the shako.
Forage cap?
Can anyone post the pic Rob describes?
Forage cap?
Got one! Hows about this!

"The body of the distinctive leather convict cap is stitched along the front, back and top. The crown is stitched and folded into a long groove. The side panels are longer than the base of the crown. Folded double and secured into position with tied tapes near the base, they form a turned up brim on either side. The cap can be stored flat when not in use.

Caps like this appear in images of the British Army in the first years of the 19th century. They appear to have been introduced as an off-duty or fatigue cap at the same time the army adopted an all leather ‘stove-pipe’ shako as parade and campaign service headdress. Most of the off-duty British soldiers in W H Pyne’s scenes of camp life, published in 1803, are wearing them. Illustrations of the period show that these caps remained in use until the late 1820s. They were a very popular unofficial item of dress for British soldiers and sailors and even became a fashion statement for some civilians".

Further details, here,


Sorry for the annoying double post, got a bit excited.  :oops:
If you google convict cap, or do an image search, you get quite a lot more.
Forage cap?
Regulations hint that no beards or moustaches were to be worn by the infantry but ... seen at least three references that they were including the above with a beard worn by an officer of the Royal Artillery. The quick "Rifleman Moore" infantry-way to shave with an open razor to suit the regs is to hold a piece of string in the corner of your mouth up to the tip of the lower ear and shave the chin below the string and also the upper lip (Company Officers permission notwithstanding).

Period Images of both forage caps sent via Iain (imaging here doesn't seem to want to work for me - sorry).
Forage cap?
These are the images that Mr Moore refers to (above): the first is Pyne and the second from Fuller.

The 'legend' is that the Pyne version is a simple cloth version of the old British infantry hat and both versions were intended to be 'worn beneath the shako' (but I doubt that was practical and ever done for very long). Both versions are supposed to fall over the soldiers eyes for him to 'sleep in'.

Rifleman Moore
Forage cap?
Regarding hair regs, like most regs, they were probably made to correct sartorial abuses, and like most regs, were probably flouted. I know from summat I worked on recently that in 1793 the regulation sideburn for British infantry was supposed to descend no lower than `the middle of the ear`.
I guess its sometimes hard to find the time to shave on campaign, especially when you've rammed your razor down the barrel and fired it at the French!  :shock:
Forage cap?
Ben - I don't know if you picked the 'firing your razor' up from my recent postings elsewhere but either way your memory or your research do you great credit ... the 'lobe of the ear' I always thought was the lowest tip of the bit that sticks out from the head rather than the hole in your head to access the sound waves ... but I will stand correction from a medical man !
Forage cap?
Is it Harris? If only my research was as good as my memory used to be, or my memory as good as my notes ought to be!
Page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2
2nd 95th Rifles Forum
Popular Topics
The 'THATCHER' knapsack
Greatcoat Sling
The Drill Taught to the 95th (Rifle) Regt.
In search of the "Belgic"
95th Officers Uniform
My Knapsack
Men - and why we love them... in and out of Uniform
Oilskin Covers for Shako's?

Card File  Gallery  Forum Archive
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group
Create your own free forum | Buy a domain to use with your forum
Link back to main web site