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DrsRob
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:04 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

The Dutch Army received in 1814 nearly 20,000 uniforms from the British. These included wooden canteens and a few Thousand "field kettles". These were in later correspondence described as 5-men kettles. Most of these seem to have had linen covers, but not all.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is there however any evidence for use of covers at all in our period?
and Eddie notes that he can only find one period image.

Note the following details of covered "D" mess tins from Denis Dighton's "The Battle of Waterloo, 18 June 1815" [1816]:

As he does in the above images, Dighton consistently portrays British infantry with rolled greatcoats on their knapsacks.  However, Wellington's general order of 31 May 1815 stipulates that all greatcoats are to be marked, bundled and stored at Ostend, and that this is to be complete by June 4.  I believe this order is also found in the general orders for Adams" brigade reprinted by the Shorncliffe Trust.  We would expect Dighton, who sketched scenes immediately following the battle, to be reasonably accurate. Why the greatcoats, then?  Always cautious with period images....

And then there is this one, from Dighton's Hougoumont painting.  Apparently differently-shaped tin, no cover.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Various artwork (some arguably not covered...)





From secondary source...

According to Barthorp, (pp74-5 British Uniforms since 1660, ill. Pierre Turner, Blandford Press 1982);

"In 1829 an improved knapsack was approved. With it, the greatcoat was to be carried in three ways: in guard mounting order, folded square on the outside; in light marching order (a reduced kit), within it; in heavy marching order (a full kit), rolled on top. In the two former cases the mess tin was to be strapped on top, in the latter case it was to be flat against the outside, its top in line with the upper edge of the knapsack, secured by its own strap to the pack's backslings. Its cover was white canvas, changed to black in 1838..."

And from the Cavalry & Guards Club, London, what looks like an uncovered tin...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone got any pictures of the mess tin from the thatcher knapsack. I know eddie posted a picture of it in its cover. Is there any pics of it out of the cover?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scrub the picture request. I remembered seeing them on a knapsack post so had a look and answered my own question.


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