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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:10 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is an image from ASK Brown of the landings at Mondego Bay in Portugal, 1808. In the foreground is a rare view of infantry in full camp equipment, canteen, haversack and knapsack. Also of interest is the sjt to the left, with pike, who appears to have a supplementary bag on the back of his knapsack. For his books?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a fantastic image Ben. Is that Mrs T sitting there with babs? I love the utter disarray of everything, kit and muskets laying everywhere. It really shows the correct haversacks for once rather than the small square NA type.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah Sjt Gower - the first ashore, the 95th and the 60th have already moved on from the beach.

Probably playing cricket or skittles a few miles inshore eh?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I particularly like the jockanese fellow to the right who ports both knapsack and haversack. See how the haversack sits under the knapsack.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am curious about the straps that are shown at the hems of the trousers going around the shoes of the two soldiers just above the words "Pulteney Malcolm". They seem to be the only two who have the straps...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 4:26 pm    Post subject: trouser straps Reply with quote

I wonder if these chaps with the straps are wearing overalls as they also have a number of buttons on the side as can be seen with the 3rd chap with straps behind the woman and baby. michael
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As featured in Pierre Turner's 'Accoutrements of the British Army, etc.'

NAM. 1970-09-22-11
Haversack, other ranks’, Royal Carmarthen Fusiliers, 1810 (c).

Please Note: These photographs are Copyright The National Army Museum. They are for research purposes only. Please respect that.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frank Packer wrote:
1810:

WO60/51
[Commissariat Accounts -- Contracts]
p.68
"Conditions under which the Contracts for Haversacks, Wooden Canteens & Straps, and Blanket Valices, are to be entered into.

10,000 Haversacks, Viz
In width one foot nine Inches
"  Depth at back one foot three Inches
"  Ditto at front one foot.
and lap over, to be 5 Inches with two Buttons & holes.  The Sling to be in length 2 feet 11 Inches & in width 2 inches,  And the Haversacks to be in quality of Cloth and every other respect equal to pattern..."



Decided to come back to this and have an experiment. So...

One haversack, 21" wide, 15" deep (at back) and front 12".
Will it work? Who knows.

As you can see the traditional criss-cross sewing of the strap to the body goes through the back of the 'sack and doesn't come through the front strap as shown in the NAM's Carmarthen Militia (see previous post) and those made by Dave Gower where the front and back of the bag are even.

One advantage is that it is easier to get into. Trials will be needed to discover pitfalls or advantages.

I whip-stitched the edges similar to (earlier) knapsacks. The carry strap I measured to 35" including sewn-on parts.

So, FWIW...



So, 2/95th, who wants to trial it?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am happy to trial it Paul q15
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1812. Filling your bag and burning down the town - as you do...

"We moved forward to the village of Almarez, and found plenty of provisions, which had been very scarce with us for some days. We filled our haversacks, and burned the town;"
Journal Of A Soldier Of The 71st Regiment From 1806 to 1815 by Anon - "Thomas",  Pickles Partners Publishing 2011 (electronic)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've made two knapsacks along these lines.
One in cotton canvas with a strap of 35 inches total and one in linen with a lengthened strap to fit my gorilla-like frame.

I remember seeing somewhere (might even be this thread )a link to an invoice for alteration of knapsack straps, so they must of been fitted to the man.

I can post pictures if you want ?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knapsack piccies or haversack...?


I don't think it would be a case of them fitting the straps to the men except in extreme cases. Most men would be of a similar frame. When the exception to the rule came along (there's an account of a huge Irishman in the 95th who had to have 2 caps made in to one to fit his head!) I'm sure the regt tailor would sort something out.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bad, I mean Haversack.

I buy 52 inch jackets, so I probably am one of the exceptions (feel free to read as 'Freak')

On the cotton one I put the buttons closer to the middle as that seemed to reduce the gaping 'quart in a pint pot' look. Now I see that the original posted above also seems to have the buttons quite close to the centreline.

Paul D. are your buttons covered ? Its a bit hard to make out on this monitor
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, didn't bother covering them. Just plain white metal.

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