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guardsman Masters
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:18 am    Post subject: haversack kit sizes  Reply with quote

hello,

iam trying to get a haversack pattern togeather for my unit and i was just wondering if you could just tell me the rough and finished measurments for the haversack and the placement for the buttons.

(would read the thread but i dont have the time)

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will do, but just don't have the time at the moment....
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:12 pm    Post subject: Re: haversack kit sizes Reply with quote

guardsman Masters wrote:
hello,

iam trying to get a haversack pattern togeather for my unit and i was just wondering if you could just tell me the rough and finished measurments for the haversack and the placement for the buttons.

(would read the thread but i dont have the time)

cheers


I would suggest you do read the thread as there is much to be learned.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got the time but I can't be arsed!! LOL.

No just having a laugh here.

If you pm with your email address I'll send you you the full plans.

Dave
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was going to post a witty comment here, but didn't have the time.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Guardsman,

Page 1, first post.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Haversack Reply with quote

And to save you time....


Obadiah wrote:
Hi Ben and Paul {and anyone esle interested}

Here are some images of the prototype Haversack we are going for.

It conforms to the Commissiat Accounts of 1810, which states that the that the Haversack is to be 21" wide, 15" deep {the bag itself is 12" deep}, the flap is 5" deep. The strap is 35" long {not including strap attchment} and 2" wide. Two cast whitemetal buttons and two button holes. I've sewn it in the same wayas the one in Pirre Turner "Soldier Accoutrements of the British Army 1750-1900" except for the cloth covered buttons. It's made in a coarse  linen but I'm still working on sourcing the correct type of linen.

Let me know what you think.

Sgt Dave

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm reading the letters of William Thornton Keep who served with the 77th at Walcheren and the 28th in the Peninsular. In a letter to his mother dated 6th august 1809 he describes his haversack thus "the haversack contains two pockets, a clean shirt,  a pair of shoes and stockings in one, and provisions in the other, and is slung across the canteen cord like a cross belt'. Private purchase? Or an issue twin pocket design?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Private purchase for me. He is an officer and thus required to provide his own camp equipment.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet the canteen he describes sounds like the standard issue 'our canteens besides were well filed with brandies and wines (these are little wooden barrels suspended across the body like shooting belts. They hold about 3 pints.....

Could be a costrel I suppose?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Austin, an officer of the 35th's Light company whilst with Graham's force in Holland records fiollowing during his initial convelesence after an amputatione where he was tended by two Irish wives in his battalion.
"whether they lightened me of any of the moveables I had about me, in my haversack and pockets, I cannot tell; but certain it was that before I reached my final destination, my razors, knife, fork, spoon, fur cap, etc; had all most unaccountably disappeared. How this happened I could never discover, for I kept everything about my person; even my sword continued buckled at my side, and my haversack, and canteen remained on me for four days and a nights after I fell wounded.  Yet the persons through whose hands I passed contrived to despoil me of various articles.Verily war sharpens the faculties of all those engaged therein..."

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Came across this in William Grattan's Adventures with the Connaught Rangers page 294 - the retreat from Burgos - the 88th had been issued with freshly slaughtered meat:

"Each man obtained his portion of the quivering flesh, but before any fire could be re-lighted, the order for march arrived, and the men received their meat dripping with water, but little if anything, warmer than when it was delivered over to them by the butcher. The soldiers drenched with wet, greatly fatigued, nearly naked, and more than half asleep, were obliged either to throw away the meat, or put it with their biscuit into their haversacks, which from constant use, without any means of cleaning them, more resembled a beggarman's wallet than any part of the appointments of a soldier. In a short time the wet meat completely destroyed the bread, which became perfect paste, and the blood which oozed from the undressed beef, little better than carrion, gave so bad a taste to the bread that many could not eat it. Those that did were in general attacked with violent pains in their bowels, and the want of salt brought on dysentery."

Yuk!


By the way haversacks seem often to be referred to by Napoleonic re enactors as "bread bags" - no period account I have read refers to them as such - so where did the term come from?
 Even as late as the Second World War my late father serving with the Coldstream Guards was issued with "Haversack rations"
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cos they are Freaking ignorant arses, not to put a too finer point on it.

In the early days of the NA, etc, a lot of them came over from English Civil War and they carried these small square bags call Bread Bags. So they used the same ones and the name stuck. Over the years it has become a matter of fact thing.

We did have something called a Bread Bag in our period but it was exactly what it said; it was a large bag for carrying bread for a company, regiment, etc.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No such thing as a bread bag in the English Civil War either. They had snapsacks which were leather duffle-bag type things.

German armies carried a Brotbeutel (Bread bag) of various patterns for over a hundred years.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I am new at this re-enactment lark and especially the research bit. I would just like to say I read all of the posts here and have found it enlightening and interesting to see how much research has gone into such a small thing like a canvas/linen bag ( I did read it all but I might have fazed out a bit on some of the longer posts) . I was very impressed. I would like to be able to put in my two-penneth worth into the debate, but I will leave it to people much cleverer than me.  But it made me realise its not as easy as that's a bag it will do. WELL DONE ALL.

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