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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 8:45 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Now we are getting somewhere. The British National Army Museum is light on OR coats except for Local Militia (the later version of militia for this period).
There is this,
Coatee, short-tailed, other ranks', Jamaica Militia, 1816 (c). Uniforms 1959-12-11

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Coatee, full dress, Devonshire (East) Militia, 1799 (c). Uniforms 1958-12-22
Coatee, full dress, 1st or East Devon Militia, 1816. Uniforms 1958-12-24
Coatee, full dress, 1st or East Devon Militia, 1816. Uniforms 1958-12-25
Short tailed coatee, 1814 (c); associated with 56th (West Essex) Regiment of Foot. Uniforms 1962-09-8
Scarlet coatee, Unidentified, 1815 (c). Uniforms 1960-12-12
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard Warren wrote:
Interesting! Can I ask where these two are? No Local Militia till 1808, so must have been tampered with if late 1790's. Both Gloucestershire and Cheshire (Stockport) Local Militia used the blue facings of their county militia regiments, so hard to guess where this started life. Any lace on it? "5 LNC" has me stumped at the moment ...


In Bergen City Historical Museum in Norway, by way of the costume department of the local theatre. Obviously ;)

The merchant patricians of Bergen had very close connections with the UK both before, during and after the Napoleonic wars, so not as strange as it first might appear. Will update original post with crude photos when I get home.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OJM - thanks for the Bergen reference. I look forward to the crude photos!

DrsRob - thanks for the Delft coat image. If this is the coat listed by Ben (and how many such coats can there be in Delft?), then Lancs Militia is a possibility, it seems to me, but maybe a slim one. The Museum site gives this as 1st Foot Guards queried, I suppose on the grounds of the plain white lace and single spacing. But - unless I'm missing something - the lace shape for the 1st Guards was bastion through this period, not straight pointed. So I'm assuming that this id is wrong.

As for Lancs Militia, the five regiments had either white lace with a blue line single spaced, or plain white lace singly in bastion/ jew's harp / flowerpot shape, or white lace in threes in pointed / Coldstream / nun's head shape. This is white, pointed, single. So, not a fit, quite. The only possibility I can see is a sergeant's jacket of the 2nd Royal Lancashire Militia, whose blue & white lace was pointed and single spaced like this. But does the photo show the narrower 3/8 inch lace and finer scarlet cloth we'd expect for a sergeant? I'm not sure. And would we expect chevrons, guessing the period from the cut??

I wonder what the buttons are?? Said on the Museum site to be "from another regiment". They might shed some light ...

I wonder if any volunteers from the 2nd Lancs Militia transferred into regular service for the Holland expedition of 1809?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard Warren wrote:
DrsRob - thanks for the Delft coat image. If this is the coat listed by Ben (and how many such coats can there be in Delft?), then Lancs Militia is a possibility, it seems to me, but maybe a slim one. The Museum site gives this as 1st Foot Guards queried, I suppose on the grounds of the plain white lace and single spacing. But - unless I'm missing something - the lace shape for the 1st Guards was bastion through this period, not straight pointed. So I'm assuming that this id is wrong.

As far as I know they have only this one coat. I agree that their identification is probably wrong. They have doubts themselves. Besides, after the merger a new site was build as well and the description were made anew and not by specialists.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Wardrobe museum has a black and white photo of what is believed to be a drummer's coat of the 49th regt circa 1800 which was at one time ar RUSI. Presumably it went to the NAM?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard Warren wrote:
OJM - thanks for the Bergen reference. I look forward to the crude photos!


You're welcome, see update in my original post.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OJM - many thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Waller wrote:
The Wardrobe museum has a black and white photo of what is believed to be a drummer's coat of the 49th regt circa 1800 which was at one time ar RUSI. Presumably it went to the NAM?


Can't find the picture on the Wardrobe search.  


NAM inventory search:

Coatee, drummers', 49th (Princess Charlotte of Wales's) (or Hertfordshire) Regiment of Foot, possibly 1840 (c). Uniforms 1959-12-6
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard Warren and I have conducted a brief investigation of the coat at Delft, by photograph, and  reassigned it from Lancs Militia to East Middlesex militia, based on the button and lace, which are correct for the latter and not the former. Its probability of being a Guards' coat seems limited.
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PostPosted: Mon May 16, 2016 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coats in the Musee de L'Armee Bruxelles







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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2016 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slight departure from the topic but came across this which may of interest

though an Officer's coat. Interesting write up :

http://www.britishempire.co.uk/fo.../britishinfantry/27thfoot1813.htm
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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2016 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This kit ended up in the Inniskillings museum. I believe Rob Yuill has pics.


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