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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 9:49 am    Post subject:  Reply with quote

I've never used modern polish on mine. I merely smother them in this Dubbin after each event. Been good since 2007. Most comfortable shoes I've ever had I think.

I have made period style ball-black which I use for leather accoutrements but don't know if anyone has used it properly on shoes?.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Paul, one tub of the black dubbin ordered!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My boots are from Andy Burke too and they are extremely comfortable. He supplied me with some black ball when I bought them and I did use it on the boots in the way he instructed me to.

Warm the black ball till slightly soft (just a couple of seconds literally in the microwave - do not liquidise it) and then rub it onto the leather. Afterwards using a cloth and "little magic circles' to create a smooth surface on the rough leather upper. Warning - it's messy.

Over the course of the 2014 season the boots have been subjected to all sorts of conditions and have had a couple of reply good soakings. The black ball foundation has stayed firmly adhered to the leather although I have supplemented it with dubbing and, because the black ball does give a finish very close to modern boot polish, I have also lashed large amounts of Kiwi on top after each event too. I note that there are contemporary accounts of officers saying that there was no excuse for soldiers not to have a good shine on their shoes. The finish is not "bulled" but the black ball has definitely covered the raised/rough leather and provided a smooth finish on parts of the boot such as the toe "cap" and heels. In other areas of greater flex - its cracks, but when you brush it again with a bit of polish it seems to "repair" itself and fill in the gaps again. Amazing stuff.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good stuff. I believe cavalry boots were made flesh side out (jacked?) so that the ball-black would adhere to it, hence jack boots (no source). Modern polishes are petroleum based I believe, whilst ball black is basically animal fat and beeswax. Additions of sugar or gum arabic appear in some instructions and I'm guessing this was to try and create a shine. Talking of which...
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I note that there are contemporary accounts of officers saying that there was no excuse for soldiers not to have a good shine on their shoes.
Pete, do you have any sources for this as it's been a question recently asked of me and I have no references?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe I'll drop Andy a line then. I ordered the dubbin that Paul recommended and that should be here soon. My shirt also arrived today, it looks great but it's MASSIVE!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris the shirts are a one size fits all job  and were supposed to act in lieu of underpants and nightshirt too.

Perhaps you could fatten up a little over the Winter.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL, I'll work on that!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul  - I read it recently and will now try and back track to locate it for you. I'll get back to you as soon as I've found it.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mercian Pete wrote:
I note that there are contemporary accounts of officers saying that there was no excuse for soldiers not to have a good shine on their shoes.
Pete, do you have any sources for this as it's been a question recently asked of me and I have no references?[/quote]

This is what I think I read:

"A System for the Compleat Interior Management and Economy of a Battalion of Infantry" by Captain Bennet Cuthbertson of the 40th Foot, published in 1768. P114 / Chapt XVII.

"Every soldier should be furnished with a pair of shoe brushes and a blacking ball of good ingredients, that there may be no excuse, for not having at all times, their shoes and gaiters extremely clean and highly polished."



I picked this up from the Najecki website.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My boots arrived from Kevin Garlick today. Had a quick stomp up and down the path outside and they felt fine. Havnt done anything to them yet, but I have also got some of the dubbin the other Paul D recommended.






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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the end I worked a load of that dubbin into the leather with my fingers and then added a layer of polish on top.

Having just worn them at Avoncroft for the weekend it seemed to work, just need to re-apply it all again now to keep them protected!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris
Your cap is finished.

Next up is Dinesy's.

If any other new joiner needs a cap next year tell me now please so I can work on them over the Winter.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweet! Thanks Eddie.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talking of boots; might be worth checking out Stitch & Cobble Emporium (on Facebook, I can't get the website on his card to work!). I can't vouch for their quality or accuracy, not having owned a pair, but they looked OK and at 100 for soldiers boots and 150 for top boots / hessians are considerably cheaper that other suppliers if you are on a budget.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddie wrote:
Kris
Your cap is finished.

Next up is Dinesy's.

If any other new joiner needs a cap next year tell me now please so I can work on them over the Winter.


Paul Dines your cap size 59cm is now finished. Lost your email address - you need to speak with Gower about cap cover and bugle badge. Looks like I still got the job of making  tufts, oh and sorting cords. All these embellishments cost more - so don't overspend at Christmas!

Any more for anymore? Tell me this winter.
After I use up my present materials for cap making I doubt I will be making any more and then it will mean members buying commercially.


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