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John Waller

Looking for a Baker

Someone I know is looking for a rifle (smoothbore). Any for sale? Any suppliers apart from Carry Arms, Kranks & Derbyshire? Grateful for any leads. Still kicking myself for not buying a mint inert rifle at a local militaria fair for 250. q47
Paul Durrant

John,
You looking for a firer or non firer?

(Careful when you see 'inert' in the UK. It sometimes means it's been butchered so as never to be fired - as opposed to a 'wallhanger' that can be proofed and drilled to a firing weapon (presuming the barrel is correct industrial standard).

You can get a decent wallhanger INC sword from Armae.com in France for just under 400 inc.  
http://www.armae.com/Zenglish/napoleonic/napoleonic_empire_frame.htm
John Waller

Paul Durrant wrote:
John,
You looking for a firer or non firer?

(Careful when you see 'inert' in the UK. It sometimes means it's been butchered so as never to be fired - as opposed to a 'wallhanger' that can be proofed and drilled to a firing weapon (presuming the barrel is correct industrial standard).

You can get a decent wallhanger INC sword from Armae.com in France for just under 400 inc.
http://www.armae.com/Zenglish/napoleonic/napoleonic_empire_frame.htm


Firer. Buyer wants it for fun shooting & hunting. Have seen one UK website offering inert rifles for 500!
Paul Durrant

Derbyshire ask the same price for live guns as they do for inert - because they claim more work goes into making them inert.

Live ones are around the 470 mark as I'm sure you've seen (without sword).
Dinesy

Build quality

I should hopefully get my shotgun license at some point in the next few months being such a fine upstanding citizen that I am ( ok it might take longer ). I have read various posts about places that sell Baker rifles, but has anyone got any opinions of the various places quality. I would rather have to pay a little more and get something that looks ok (and works ok)

So far I have looked at
Derbyshire arms ( really small picture on the web site so you cant see any details at all)
Armae
Henry Krank
and a couple of places in the states but cant remember who

Buy cheap - buy twice and all that.

cheers
Dinesy
Dinesy

I just realised I wrote BAKER RIFLE instead of British Infantry Rifle. I had been looking online and that's what the retailers  seems to call them I didn't think when I wrote my post - muppet
( is there a Georgian version of a muppet? as they didn't exist then either!!  )
Ben Townsend

Replica BIRs fall into two main brackets:

1. India/Pakistan made inert smoothbores that can be converted to firers.
2. Expensive artisan made repros (usually USA)

If you pay 500 or less you are getting the former. If the price is above that, and its usually four figures, you get the latter.

So for most of us, the first option is easier and cheaper to achieve. Two ways these are available:

1. Imported (Armae, Distinguished general etc) as inert.
2. Adapted and proofed (Krank, Derbyshire etc)

The first tends to be cheaper, but you will have to use a registered gunsmith to convert it to a firer and organise for it to be proofed. Beware import duty from dealers outside Europe.

The second is a little more expensive but ultimately you will probably save time and money. This is why:

1. Often a gun needs some bedding in to make everything run smoothly. A good gunsmith will have done this, and offer adjustments after sales too.

2. An inert gun needs to be proofed and converted, this takes time, a fee and several lots of postage. If the gunsmith has already done the legwork it saves time and headache.

Lastly, look for extras included. For instance, you will eventually need with your gun:

A cleaning kit.
A leather shoulder strap.
Pricker, brush, flints and turnscrew.
Sword bayonet and scabbard.

Its worth getting these together and asking for a discount.
John Waller

FWIW I was quoted 80 for getting a barrel proofed last year.

Also try Carry Arms. He sometimes has secondhand guns in.
Paul Durrant

The advantage of buying a 'ready to fire' (on production of a licence of course) is that you get to feel it, look down its sites, etc, and if anything goes wrong then you've not far to go to get it sorted. If it's one from one of the stockists who may have a stall at one of the big events, then we're at hand also to take a look.
Ben Townsend

Agree with Paul, re availability of stockists. Derbyshire score very highly in this respect. I'm a big fan of Peter Dyson for exceptional service, but he doesn't 'do' re-enactment events.
John Waller

ben wrote:
Agree with Paul, re availability of stockists. Derbyshire score very highly in this respect. I'm a big fan of Peter Dyson for exceptional service, but he doesn't 'do' re-enactment events.


Dyson should be at the Trafalgar Arms Fair at Bisley this weekend 18-19 Oct. Think I may have a run over there tomorrow. Always nice things to drool over.
Paul Durrant

Dyson makes them from scratch - Will take about a year and cost you around 3500
John Waller

Paul Durrant wrote:
Dyson makes them from scratch - Will take about a year and cost you around 3500


He did have a few baker bits on his stall which may be of interest - ram rod attachements etc and a baker tool. Nice cheap flints as well. We got 50 for 45.

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