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submariner

Loading Charge for the 'Baker' rifle

When live firing using ball ammo, what's the average size of charge members use, firing a 610 ball?
John Waller

Re: loading charge

submariner wrote:
when doing a live fireing using ball ammo whats the average size off charge do members use, fireing a 610 ball


Charge size for range shooting comes down to personal preference and experience. There are many variables. Powder quality - if you are using swiss powder you may only need to use 2/3 the amount of a lesser quality powder. Are you talking rifled barrel or smooth bore, patched ball, wads or just the paper cartridge? What distance are you shooting? Load could be anywhere between 60-120+ grain
Paul Durrant

From British Military Flintock Rifles 1740-1840 by de Witt Bailey, Mowbray 2002, p151:

Baker Rifle Ammunition
"Concerning powder charges for the Baker rifle, the 'inventor' himself had this to say;

'In apportioning the quantity of powder for a rifle, one charge for all distances should be carefully attended to; and if the powder be good, I have ascertained that nearly one third of the weight of the ball, priming included. is the best estimate.'

Baker's estimate, with the weight of the 20 to the pound ball at 355 grains, gives 118 grains or between 4-4 drams. The Ordnance settled for somewhat less at 3 drams (96 grains), which apparently increased to 4 drams (110 grains) after the end of the war."
Paul Durrant

Twenty-three years practice and observations with rifle guns by Ezekiel Baker:

https://books.google.ca/books?id=...hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false
submariner

Re: loading charge

thanks for the swift reply,have rifled barrel with 610 patched ball
shooting 100 yards.trying to fine tune to get best results. ray
Paul Durrant

Fyi Ray;

Ball sizes and use:

"Ammunition for the Baker rifle in British service was divided into two broad types: loose powder and patched ball for precision shooting, and conventional paper cartridges for skirmishing or more rapid firing. At some point later in the war, all rifle ammunition supplied from government sources was in the form of paper cartridges, with either patched or naked ball. It is not clear whether this was based on combat experience or a need to simplify logistic requirements, or both. Balls intended to be patched, usually referred to as [i]'forced balls' were of 22 to the pound diameter (about .596-inch) while those for use in paper cartridges, 'running ball' were of 20 to the pound (about .615-inch) diameter."

British Military Flintock Rifles 1740-1840[/i] by de Witt Bailey, Mowbray 2002, p151
Paul Durrant

Re: loading charge

submariner wrote:
Have rifled barrel with 610 patched ball...Ray


Out of curiosity, who made the rifle?
submariner

baker rifle

peter dyson made it for me
Paul Durrant

I have a smoothbore of his. Beautifully made though bore too large.

Is this fairly new? Out of curiosity, how long did it take to get it made?
submariner

baker rifle

hi paul its about 6months old took about 12 months to build,had to drive up from devon to collect it. sorry pressed wrong button and pm you

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