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Mercian Pete

Black buttons and N.C.O.'s chevrons

Hi Guys,

Jus wondering if you have ever been able to work out when the RB (probably?) adopted black buttons and chevrons? We can see that the 60th/KRRC had them by 1854 but, as always, pinning down the point at which they may have been adopted is a bit elusive.
Mercian Pete

Ha! Sorry, I may have answered my own question.

1833 - source: "Discovering British Military Badges and Buttons" by Robert Wilkinson-Latham.

He also states that in 1830 the whole army was ordered to adopt gold lace - except for rifles corps. That MAY be a precursor for RB and KRRC to adopt black chevrons (in the latter case on a red background).

If any one can add to that with better info I'd be only too pleased to hear it.
Gregger

chevron details

I was wondering if any information is available about Light Companies having NCO chevrons on both sleeves?
I know that is the way it is done today in re-enacting, but what is it based on?
I have noticed the Light Company KGL colour sergeant uniform at the Celle museum has chevrons on the right sleeve only.
Ben Townsend

From memory, the decision we made in the 2/95th was based on two images. One was the 1816 rifleman nave 'departure' portrait held in Edinburgh castle (showing both arms chevron'd), and the other was a Raffet copy of an 'occupation' image from Paris (1815-17) which showed the off arm with chevrons.
Ben Townsend

Here is the image of the 1816 rifleman I reference above.

Peter, I can't remember quite when the 95th go to black buttons, but the answer is in Verner if anyone has a copy of that history to hand. Mid 1830s IIRC. In fact, the Cope history of the regiment prior to Verner has the RB always in black buttons as well as the 95th! The reason is, as we learn in a letter from Cope to Verner after the latter published, that Sir Redvers Buller, who was Cope's Colonel, exercised his authority to override Cope's research and establish his own mythology of the RB. An example of the negative influence regimental tradition so often has on history. Anyway, I digress.


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Gregger

I was wondering; since there have been some very nice images posted elsewhere on this forum of the excellent King's German Legion Belgic shako at the Celle, does anyone have images of the three NCO coatee on display there?
Of special interest is the grenadier example, with very unusual, but attractive, chevrons.
Richard Warren

Might be relevant ... In April 1811 the sergeant tailor of the Shropshire Militia put in a bill that included these two items juxtaposed:

Making Stripes for the Rifle Cloathing         7  0
yd of Blk Cloth                6  3

And again in March 1813:

Striping for the Non cd Officers Clothing belongs to Rifle     0 .7 .0
Yard Black Cloth at 12/6

The regiment's two rifle companies had been formed in 1810 and clothed by September that year, so I doubt that April 1811 would have been a re-clothing. So black "stripes" put on the first clothing in 1811, and this would certainly have followed the example of the 92nd, as these companies followed that pattern.

Possibly these chevrons were solid black. No entry for white "tape" to edge them, unless it's included under some other heading.
Eddie

Gregger wrote:
I was wondering; since there have been some very nice images posted elsewhere on this forum of the excellent King's German Legion Belgic shako at the Celle, does anyone have images of the three NCO coatee on display there?
Of special interest is the grenadier example, with very unusual, but attractive, chevrons.


Ola visited Celle and took photographs last year after Waterloo 200.

Several good colour photos of two Sergts coats in the collection are in the book 'Britain's German Allies of the Napoleonic Wars' by John Grehan. These are copyright so I can not reproduce them here.
OJM

Eddie wrote:
Ola visited Celle and took photographs last year after Waterloo 200.

Several good colour photos of two Sergts coats in the collection are in the book 'Britain's German Allies of the Napoleonic Wars' by John Grehan. These are copyright so I can not reproduce them here.


I'd be happy to post my rather mediocre shots of the relevant details, but it might be better suited for a separate topic on NCO distinctions?

Is the Grehan book any good? Seems quite pricey for 150ish pages...
Ben Townsend

I have a spare copy you are welcome to.
Gregger

A look at your shots would be welcome, OJM, and a new topic on NCO distinctions is a great idea.

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