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Matelot81

Armae Rifles

Hi everyone

Eric here from Febs training weekend,

Bug well and truly bit,

Now looking at Armae rifles,hearing lots of good things and some others about them,had a price back of 475 euros with Sword Bayonet which seems ok,but then it'll need proofing as well,so how much is that likely to cost and is the quality as good as some of the canadian ones?

Shotgun license applied for,but the South Wales police quote a 10-12 week turnround so looks like I won't be shooting at Newstead,does that mean I'll spend the weekend digging holes for latrines??
Hagman's roadie

What ho Eric,
I cant comment on the rifle and proofing but the license lead time is always between 10-12 weeks. Once I'd filled the form out and got all the gubbins needed mine came through in super quick time.
You had the home visit and all that?

Now go and get some more bedding sorted ;)
Matelot81

Bedding,who needs bedding when you have a 1 tog sleeping bag and a argos camp bed!

No home visit yet,only sent the form of a couple of days ago.

Think I'm going to bite the bullet and order the Armea rifle as it comes with the sword bayonet.
Hagman's roadie

Matelot81 wrote:
Bedding,who needs bedding when you have a 1 tog sleeping bag and a argos camp bed!

No home visit yet,only sent the form of a couple of days ago.

Think I'm going to bite the bullet and order the Armea rifle as it comes with the sword bayonet.


Or you could wait till the license has come through and take your hard earned cash to an event such as Kelmarsh and purchase a ready to go rifle.
The sword bayonet coming with the rifle is a bonus but you could get lucky as I did and find a trader with a matching pair.

Its nice to have something to wield at an event though whether it goes bang or not but I'd hang on if it were me.
Paul Durrant

Hi Eric,

I don't know anyone who has got one from Armae. We haven't known them long enough. Apart from 'The Rifle Shoppe' in the USA who hand makes their own, I believe all the rifles we see are made in India. Likely the Canadian DG ones come from the same place. Wouldn't recommend ever getting one from DG as the p&p is hefty - then you get stung by an import tax and if you have to return it for some reason you have to then cover all those charges again. At least the Armae ones only cost around a tenner to ship and you're covered by EU laws on returns, etc.

West Point Albion Small Arms recently quoted me 75 for proofing and drilling, 18 for proofing.

My basic calculations were that buying an Armae, getting it drilled, proofed, etc would probably bring it to the same price as a UK ready one would - except you have the sword which would normally be approx 75 on top.

Check out prices at:
West Point Albion Small Arms: www.westpointsutlers.org
Derbyshire Arms www.derbyshirearms.co.uk
Kranks: www.henrykrank.com
Matelot81

Cracked and bought the Armae,with the sword bayonet and exchange rate worked out a tadge under 400 so need to send it away for proofing and drilling once my SC is sorted,so about 475 all in
I know I could have waited but I am Mr impulse
Now ordering boots and stocking up on blankets!
Matelot81

Rifle arrived today from Armae,they despatched it Monday,so about a week.

Quite impressed with it,I'll try and post some pictures later so everyone can give it the once over and see how it looks.

Sword bayonet fits well,on and off quite smoothly and locks well,

So all in all,seems a good deal.
Ben Townsend

Hi Eric,
Good on you for trying Armae. I'd have a try of them if I ever got round to changing my aged rifle. Mine is as old as I am, and must have had a few owners before me. Its quite common for a new gun to have bedding in issues, so don't worry if you get some of those- Rifleman Morrison can tell you all about those that occur with the lock, and our armourer, Marc will be able to offer advice on sorting out anything that arises.
Have you got all the gen on Bolsover you need? Anything that crops up, just give any of the guys a ring, and they'll drag you down to our own level of confusion   q21
Paul Durrant

Matelot81 wrote:
No,gonna miss Bolsover,work commitments

Stocking up on blankets and warm things,trying to get some boots sorted but there's a ten week lead on those as well,
Looking forward to Newstead as that'll be my first 'proper' event,hopefully kitted out a bit better and hopefully warmer and without the strange nightime noises of the schoolhut at Chiltern!


Eric,
'fraid you'll never get away from those 'noises'. 2mm of canvas between you and the next guy? Not a chance! q21

Look forward to seeing the Armae.
Matelot81

Hi everyone,hope you're all enjoying the weekend,sorry I'm missing it but a weekend work commitments messed all this up.
With regards to the Armae rifle,initial euphoria has worn off,but still pleased

On closer inspection there's a few niggles:
1)The brasswork needs some work,seems patchy
2)Trigger mechanism seems loose,stripped it down and rebuilt it,seems a bit better
3)Barrel extends a tadge to far from the end of the stock,might see if I can get it trimmed
4)Sword scabbard is a bit ropey,the brasswork appears to be stapled on,that will have to get sorted!
5)The wood looked ropey,but an afternoons rubbing and polishing with the wifes secret polish has darkened it and brought out the grain a bit better.
6)The barrel needs browning,doing this next week

So thats it,hope to pick up a sling and other bits at Newstead if anys available,but for the money paid seems a cheap(ish) way into rifle ownership
Enjoy the weekend
Paul Durrant

Hi Eric,
Well, you certainly didn't waste any time!

The brass work on the scabbard is typically 'stapled' in. I think that goes for all of ours. This is the lower section of an original. Not stapled I know...


Don't be in a hurry to trim the barrel. Post a piccy so we can take a look.

The wood is from over in India and tends to be light in both colour and weight. They tend to get large patches of lighter grain in them as well. I presume you stripped the varnish off. I plan to try and darken mine also.

The trigger and lock, as mentioned bt Ben earlier, occasionally have problems until they bed in and you get to know your weapon.

Any questions, feel free to drop us a line.


PS: I have made a sling for you today.
Hagman's roadie

From what I've seen so far, no two rifles are the same and each one has it's own 'personality'.
If you haven't already, invest in a gun cleaning kit, gun grease and a 'turn screw' (small flat head screw driver you can keep in your ball  pouch when you get it).
Marc the armourer will give you a heads-up on the components of the lock and what they do and may need to harden some bits n bobs. My lock had some teething problems in as much as it would either not locate on full lock at all or it would stop locating on full lock after a few rounds. Once we'd identified the problem (or problems) it was a simple fix and it has fired every time since (although much of that sparking every time is down to my skill as a rifleman *wink*).
I wouldnt tamper with it too much until you've had a chance to compare it to others and had Marc give it the once over.
Get some walnut or teak oil for the stock (unless its varnished) and allow the wood to soak it up. My stock was dry as a bone when I got it and very brittle in places. This lead to most of my issues because powder got in to the inner workings of the lock due to a slither of wood breaking off. This meant that I had to take the lock apart completely to clean it properly which in turn lead to screws coming loose. The least you have to do to the lock workings the better really.
justen_smith

Ill be looking into getting an Armae in a couple of months if i am certain that im welcome as so far I have been unable to get a straight answer from Uncle Dave to the question "Am I welcome back" I recieved the answer, No Sod off (or along those lines ) :-).
Paul Durrant

Justen,
Sorry I couldn't make it to Bolsover. I was curious to see how much you'd changed in the last 3(?) years. My memory of you is an excitable young lad vanishing off into the darkness of an evening, doing the round of different campfires - and yakking through to the wee small hours! Smilie_PDT

Don't fret on not hearing a reply yet from Dave or the others. We usually give potential recruits a couple of events to try out first. Helps them get used to us, and us them.

So sit back and relax and prepare for next event!

Look forward to seeing you then.
justen_smith

nex events a while away and i only have roman shoes....should i order some burke boots, worst case scenario i can sell them on.

how have i changed hmmmm.... up 4 stone in weight but want to get rid of it, i drifted back and forth at bols but he 33rd where singing and somehow there fire was warmer and less smokey (probs the best)

Had a great weekend and was good seeing everyone again, must say paul. someone mentioned you where upwards of 40.  I swear you looked about 25 when i last saw you.............
Ben Townsend

Hi Justen,
Good to meet you at the weekend. Don't worry about not getting an invitation to join yet, the 2/95ths gears run slowly sometimes. Andy Burke, Sarah Juniper and Kevin Garlic all make great boots, tailor your choice to their waiting times and your pocket. Don't overlook Andy Burke's soldier's shoes, in many ways these are likely to be a more authentic choice than a boot. But you're going down the right route in starting with your footwear first. Get your licence application in early too, as this can sometimes take a while to process.
Paul is about 60, but looks 25. Sickening ain't it?
justen_smith

Problem is i dont want to apply then find out i dont need one etc,

I have aranged the sale of my roman armour and that is going to cover the cost of boots so thats ok.
Matelot81

Ok,Barrel finish arrived,going to have a crack this weekend,one question,how does the barrel come off the stock,or do you do it in situ?
Feel heat and wood won't be a good combination?
Ben Townsend

There will be three pins set into the forestock. These communicate with holes in three lugs under the barrel. If you tap the pins at their narrow end, with, say a turnscrew, they will pop out, and the barrel will then lift out. There is a small variety of styles of breech plug, most just hook in and will hook out though. You may want to remove the screw that holds the breech plug, and brown the breechplug also. Don't brown the lock, thats not done.
Hagman's roadie

Matelot81 wrote:
Ok,Barrel finish arrived,going to have a crack this weekend,one question,how does the barrel come off the stock,or do you do it in situ?
Feel heat and wood won't be a good combination?


on some of the rifles you'll find that annoyingly the fore strap swivel doodad is screwed through the barrel too. Mine is. bloomin pain in the arse.
I'd loosen the screws a tad on the lock and breech plug too.
Dont forget to brown the ram-rod as well.
Not that I've browned a barrel myself but i hear tell that its a good idea to degrease it first and get any finger prints and smudges off it else they'll leave a funny pattern. An even application of heat is the trick so I'm told.

Thanks to uncle Dave for browning my barrel.
Matelot81

ok,thanks for the info,barrels degreased,didn't think about the ramrod,so all ready to go Sat or Sun depending when the wife lets me hace the oven!
Paul Durrant

Or...electric paint stripping heat gun.
Matelot81

Cheers Paul forgot I had one of these

Well jobs done,quite impressed with results,all quite easy with help from everyone on here,
Only downside nobody mentioned the safety aspect of having a pile of soft cloths soaked in barrel finish in close proximity to a hot air gun,wife noticed after a mini firestorm went off in the kitchen swiftly followed by me coughing and belching and staggering out of said room,well lesson learned and eyebrows intact!
Here's a couple of photos of the beast.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c340/wafoo81/DSCF0839.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c340/wafoo81/DSCF0837.jpg
Ben Townsend

Nice cooker. Rangemaster? How do you get on with it? q14  Haha. Well, I amuse myself anyway! Great job, good to see you getting stuck in.
Paul Durrant

Nice job Eric - now do it again!

Seriously though, was that just one going over? If so, you may need to do another 1 (or2)

(and keep rubbing oil into it.)
Matelot81

it was just two goings over,having another hit tommorow once the smoke clears...

And the rangemaster is a foriegn object to me,wife swears by it though
Matelot81

Back to barrel browning,since doing mine find I'm oiling it every other day to stop it feeling rough,seems to suck the oil in,is this normal or have I made a chronic faux pas somewhere?
Hagman's roadie

Sounds like the oxidisation process is having a party on your barrel and isnt ready to quit yet.
I'm no expert though so it could be doing what it's supposed to.
justen_smith

On the history side.....

Why brown the barrel, i know it decreases light refraction but to be honest after the first bang if you have not seen the green jackets then your a bit deaf!!!

Are there other reasons they browned them?
Billfred

Prevents rusting?
Paul Biggin

justen_smith wrote:
On the history side.....

Why brown the barrel, i know it decreases light refraction but to be honest after the first bang if you have not seen the green jackets then your a bit deaf!!!

Are there other reasons they browned them?


After the first bang if you have not seen the green jackets then your a bit DEAD
justen_smith

Haha, i like that.


as for the rusting answer thank you, i supose it makes sense, although the line infantry didnt brown their muskets,  do they not suffer rusting problems,
Paul Biggin

Both browned and polished barrels will suffer from soldiers gold but the polished ones a lot more, with a browned barrel you can just wipe it clean, with a polished one it takes some cleaning if left for too long as the rust will start eating into the metal.
Paul Durrant

A soldier carried a package of brick-dust with him to keep his firearm shiney and, I believe, with the more enthusiastic 'spit-and-polish' minded soldier, resulted in wearing the barrel dangerously thin.
Matelot81

Rifle off to get drilled and proofed,home visit today,said it takes a week to ten days from visit to license,hmm touch and go for Cosmeston.....
Obadiah

Well done matey, nothing like having a big bang.

Serjt Dave

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