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jaredmorrison

95th Rifles shako on ebay (repro)

I came across this shako on ebay earlier this week and was curious about its design. The auction has ended, but as I am in the process of getting a kit together, I wanted to know what people thought about this shako, specifically the leather on the back.

Another obvious difference between this shako and the others I've seen in the lack of cordage, but I assume it's just missing from this specimen.

Any thoughts? Thanks in advance.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/190620168756

Jared Morrison
Obadiah

Hi Jared, I think you had a lucky escape there with that cap. It doesn't look brilliant. Yes it should have cording and if it's a Rifle's cap it should have a square peak. The Leather flap on the back is a foul weather flap. When it rains you pull the falp down and it stops the rain running down your neck, but you look like a twat though. The 1806 pattern cap were not issued with covers the the Belgic. The cap badge is also wrong as well. I think for the money you could do better.

Dave
Ben Townsend

Was talking to Sean Phillips about external falls the other day and we came to the conclusion that there isn't an extant cap with one. Or any evidence for one.
Paul Durrant

Jared,
The body looks not unlike a typical commercially made cap you get from re-enactor suppliers. They tend to be a touch short. With the early commercial ones we used to buy we'd roll the foul weather piece inside and replace the rounded peaks with squared off ones which the 95th had.

It does appear to be quite expensive but then again the new ones from the likes of Discriminating General (I suspect that's were it may have originated from) are a lot more - $299 http://www.militaryheritage.com/images/hat005.jpg

and on ths side of the pond at a staggering 225:
http://www.sutlers.co.uk/cgi-bin/...mp;PN=Napuni%2ehtml%23a1134#a1134
Eddie

ben wrote:
Was talking to Sean Phillips about external falls the other day and we came to the conclusion that there isn't an extant cap with one. Or any evidence for one.


Ben - are you referring to just the 1806 cap?
There is a photo of a "Belgic" with a fall in Wellingtons Infantry (1) by Haythorntwaite.
Ben Townsend

Is it an internal or external one? Sean's point was that he doesn't buy the fall being hitched up outside the cap body.
Eddie

ben wrote:
Is it an internal or external one? Sean's point was that he doesn't buy the fall being hitched up outside the cap body.


The Belgic on page 8 shows it hooked up externally.
There are two other photos showing caps with falls- stove pipes - page 3 earlier leather type and page 5 felt type - both have falls but are hanging down - as to whether they were folded inside or hooked up - can't tell.

The leather one is credited to NAM - possibly the others also.
Ben Townsend

Gotcha, p.8. Thats one of those SP was referring to. His problem with this fall is that firstly its attached in such a way that it cannot be dropped, and secondly that it is waterproofed on the outside, meaning that when dropped the waterproofing is on the inside, rendering it ineffective.
Eddie

ben wrote:
Gotcha, p.8. Thats one of those SP was referring to. His problem with this fall is that firstly its attached in such a way that it cannot be dropped, and secondly that it is waterproofed on the outside, meaning that when dropped the waterproofing is on the inside, rendering it ineffective.


Sean has a good point there in terms of the practical construction of that particular cap  - having made caps myself I have  excluded an external  fall as I could not happily resolve how it fitted on.  I see exactly what he means.
(Unable to attach image due to copyright.)

The problem seems to be with old extant items is that sometimes its  difficult to know whether adaptions or repairs have been made to an original in the long intervening years since it was actually worn in service - even by museums tidying up items for display - I was in a regimental museum recently where an 1830/40s black leather Officers forage/undress cap was labelled as a "bell topped shako".  I am sure we all have similar tales.  Trust no one eh ?
Neibelungen

All  the examples I've seen  with extant flaps have them sewn into  the sweatband turning  on the outside.  There's no  way to insert them otherwise because  of the way that  is attached.   Those that do have them all  show traces  of having a cord  or hooks for a cord  in the upper rear.

I doubt  it makes much difference which side (grain or flesh) of the leather is facing, as  either can  be greased,  waxed  or  stuffed to make  it water resistent.    Shoes where   often made  on the flesh side for that reason.

I suspect some time after 1808/10 they went  out  of use as a cost saving exercise,  but probably  varied from regiment to  regiment more than  being an  'official'  choice  or change  in  pattern as such.  They certainly reappear post 1812,  but again  not  in all examples and  surviving officer's  ones seem to  be  both.  
Perhaps a wet weather  cap  and a parade cap if you could afford  more than one hat.

From my perspective, I  don't see how you can attach  them to  the inside without  stitching them  uncomfortably to  the  inside  leather sweatband.  Plus it would  wear  on the stitching being there  and  I've not seen examples with traces  of  stitching marks  obvious in them.   Trouble  is there's not enough surviving examples to  be able to make a good  oppinion.

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