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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:09 pm    Post subject: kit  Reply with quote

Hi

I know some of the kit can be produced in house, but is there a list of other items needed and preferred suppliers. I don't want to get a bit of kit that even if it looks great is different from everyone else's ( or god forbid no bloody use at all).

Also any info about tents would be good. As I will be dragging the family along ( actually they want to come) and scrounging a place in tents for three of us might be hard I thought I would try to find one asap. I saw a couple of second hand ones online but same as the kit I don't want to buy something that's no use as it looks wrong is to big etc etc.

I have sent my shotgun license application off so hopefully that will be straight forward.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shoes

Tent

Easy Smilie_PDT

Tent if there is three of you a bell tent, can pick them up on ebay for about 300-400

Boots are a matter of preference and cost, can get American civil wore brogues for 40, but longevity who knows


Andy Burke makes excellent boots but is top end but will last years
Myself I went with Kevin Garlick, had mine four years and still going strong and cost about 100

If you're after a rifle as mentioned by Paul D, Armae in France do a wallhanger complete with sword for about 400 then another 70 to drill and proof.Got my first one from them and it's still on nice nick being used by Tim

Everything else is in house, I'd recommend getting a good sized Wooden case for all your kit, yet again fleabay for anything from 5-100 but Simon I'm sure could do you a gorgeous bespoke one,as he's dead clever

Enjoy the feeling of a rapidly emptying wallet but by god is it worth it!

Eric


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been looking at tents. Is there any normal size? I found a place that has some second hand ridge tents ( they sold the bell tents they had) and they are about the same size as the bell tents they had. Looking at the size I would say there is plenty of room for three ( 14 x14x 7)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair size tent,most of the guys with family have a Bell tent so not sure on the large A frames,
I'd be more tempted with a bell as lot more room inside for people and kit and with winter coming should be a few pop up on ebay
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for the replies

Yes I think a bell tent is the way to go, also they look pretty good. Im going to keep an eye on ebay over the winter. I also found a place that advertises new ones that I thought were a reasonable price. Anyone seen one? unfortunately they are out of stock until march next year.
http://www.canvastentshop.co.uk/p...tents/4m-bushcraft-bell-tent.aspx

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The trouble with most bell tents in use in the napoleonic scene is that they are the wrong design. The high-walled lace-up types only come in during the late victorian period. In our period the walls were very short, around 9"' and the cone of the tents was usually capped in red canvas or leather, sometimes with a red dolly. Little evidence of dutch lacing either. Do some research, look at period mages, and reach an informed decision. There are a couple of makers,  like Vic James,  who do make a reasonable napoleonic bell tent but expect to pay more than from Canvas Tent Shop or Abbey Tents.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Paul,
As has already been said getting good boots is a must and also a couple of shirts. I don't think we supply those or at least they aren't made in house.
A black cotton neck cloth also wouldn't go amiss. When not at arms one would wear the neck cloth in place of the leather stock.

As far as tents go although John is entirely correct regarding the bell tent design I wouldn't worry too much about spending way more than you bargained for to obtain a period correct bell. The reason I say this is the camping arrangement we have as a whole (and that includes the majority of the NA) is somewhat of a farb anyway.
The use of A frames, the myriad of differing sizes of A frames and bells, the layout etc is all a little bit of a hotch potch. If you did buy a period correct bell tent you would be in the minority.
It's great to try to maintain some semblance of accuracy in the camp set up but we know that's just not possible. By all means do get a period bell tent, show the others how it's done but don't feel obliged to if it's cost prohibitive.

Peripheral items such as eating and drinking implements are essential.
A mess tin and cover (ask Paul Durrant).
A tin plate, tin cup and a spoon of some description whether it be a small wooden one or a metal one of the period.
(The family can use anything that looks period in style. Usually wooden bowels and plates but basically nothing enamelled or of modern construction)

A turn screw (small wooden handled screw driver)

A pricker and brush

Gun cleaning kit. A good quality one as nobody likes losing half the cleaning rod down their barrel (do they Eric lol)


A soldiers wooden kit box is a total farb but many of us have them as it keeps all the gear neatly in one place both at home and at events.
I hope to be knocking a few of these out over the winter period so stay tuned for some pics and details.

The list could go on but I think the essentials for you as a rifleman have been covered.
Cheers
Simon
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hagman's roadie wrote:
A mess tin and cover


Sorry for the digression, but is there any evidence for mess tin covers? I confess to having made one myself based on later extant covers but I can find no evidence at all for their use, issue, purchase or manufacture in the period. Most coloured illustrations seem to show mess tins in 'the white' without covers. Are they a re-enactorism?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi John, in a word, no. The only evidence is the colouration on some prints, which is very sketchy indeed. We came down on the side that they probably weren't issued, but by then we all already had them, and they are practical. In defence, there is evidence immediately post period,

WO3/162,  484
1817, an update to the warrant for necessaries 1812, adding,
1 shirt, 1 buttonstick and brush, 1 mess-tin and cover, 1 knife fork and spoon and case, 1 clothes brush.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John - you mentioned mess tin covers before  - I would agree there are only a couple of images which seem to show them but as Ben says that might be just colouration by the artist .
The only thing that I would say is how do they attach to a knapsack without a cover ? - there would have to be a flange to pass a strap through. The circular dish type perhaps had handles each side that could be used for that  - I am thinking of the Guards in greatcoat Hamilton Smith print - but the D shape? ?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've started getting myself sorted too - boots will shortly be ordered, shotgun licence application is in (and I've had my home visit already) and I've swung a starter amount over to Dave so he can get started on uniform. I'm looking forward to having my own kit for next time!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure there will be a reenactors market or two coming up soon so keep your eyes peeled for a mention as they are a good place to get the nik naks
The original reenactors market (TORM) is usually in Coventry and then there is the living history fair.
I'm sure one or two of use will be popping along.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What IS mentioned in period, and also turned up in Sweden, mess KETTLE covers.

Anyway, sorry to derail the thread. Tents- the bell tent is preferable to the ridge for purposes of historical accuracy, even in one of its bastard forms. Just don't get one of the glamping models with windows and porch. Scout bell tents used to be about 350.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
I've started getting myself sorted too - boots will shortly be ordered, shotgun licence application is in (and I've had my home visit already) and I've swung a starter amount over to Dave so he can get started on uniform. I'm looking forward to having my own kit for next time!


Kris - I will need your measured head size for a regimental cap.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddie - will drop you an email.


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