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daveh
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:56 pm    Post subject: Various Questions  Reply with quote

Hi,

I have been interested in the rifles, like many since Sharpe first came onto telly. I have looked at the various websites and considered joining one of the groups many times.

But with living in the north of England, and the fact I work 2 out of 5 weekends I have never felt I had the time to commit.

Anyway I have considered a purchase of a inert Baker rifle, from the likes of Henry Krank or West point Sulters, just for my personal collection.

My question is does anyone know if they are built to the same standard as the ones you guys use. (build quality etc)

Also if I did buy one and in years to come I decided to join a group, I hear you can get them made live and have them proofed, once you have the require licence etc.

Also both live and inert ones all appear to have bare steel barrels. Yet the ones pictured on your website seem to all be blackened.

Is this the way you get them or a process that you amend them to be more like the originals.

I thank you in advance for any assistance.

Dave
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dave, until the sjt armourer gives you a reply, I'll chance my arm.   Plenty of us buy an inert weapon and then have the barrel sent by a gunsmith to one of the two proofing houses (London and Birmingham). This is one of the better value routes to a black powder gun especially if it will be used mainly for re-enacting and not range shooting (you can get more expensive, or more expensive and rifled barrels for that).
Our research indicates that the 95th, in common with other Light Infantry outfits, browned their barrels. Most gunsmiths will do it for you, sell you their favourite browning kit, or you can pull a period recipe and do it that way (we have loads of these, but they can be a bit, "eye of bat, ball of newt").
Don't worry if you don't have every weekend off, not all of us can manage more than one weekend in four during season. It helps if you can bring your dependents along and keep them happy (although cats tend not to like the noise) Smilie_PDT
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dave,
Welcome to the forum chap.
In my line of work I'm expected to work every weekend but can arrange for holiday and can usually manage one weekend per month.
If you're interested why not pop along to one of our training weekends (the dates of which can be found in the events section) to see what its all about. There you can have a closer look at the British Infantry Rifle and get a feel for what its all about.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dave I can only echo whats been said above.  But highly recommend that you try and get along to one of our training events.  You'll get to look and feel the reenacting life for real.  If you have a family then the unit is very family orientated otherwise there's single guys too in the unit so you won't be left out.  You are not committing yourself by attending a weekend so don't feel obligated.  Hope to see you there.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave,

Like you I pondered the question about joining a group - and I did buy an inert (for the hell of it) a while before I approached a group.

I went along to a training weekend (a long way for you, I know) and in a masochistic mood, joined this bunch! I applied for a license straight away (some authorities are quicker than others) and in meantime sent my barrel off to a gunsmith (Albion Small arms who have now merged with West Point Sutlers). They drilled a touch-hole and sent it off to be proofed. It's not that expensive (just talk to them first and they'll talk you through it).

When that was done they then sent it back but they couldn't send it direct to me (as it's now a weapon as opposed to a steel pipe) so they had to send it to a local gunsmith (they may charge you a handling fee of a few quid) and I in turn had to go there in person with my license to collect.

As for browning your barrel, your gunsmith will likely sell something called 'Plum Brown' (around a tenner a small bottle). It comes with instructions (the barrel needs heating up - I used a paintstripping gun). Or I'm sure one of us will chip in.

When you go for buying a Rifle, can I suggest you buy a sword (bayonet) with it - ie: one that fits your weapon. they are quite pricey but they have a tendency not to be that interchangeable. Quite a few people have bought swords later, only to find they don't fit their Rifle.

As for travel, where do you live? We have some Yorkshiremen (bless) who travel a good way. And some of our gigs take us a little further up the country than London! (there was even a rumour of us possibly doing an event much further north this year...)

But if you're after taking this a bit further than Ol' Sharpie - learning a more about the life and times of the original 95th - and enjoy large fry-up breakfasts once in a while... then I'm sure there's a King's shilling lurking somewhere...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:43 pm    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

Hi all,

Thanks for your replies. I am too a Yorkshireman, I see you are coming too Bolsover soon which is not too far.

I have spoken to Sutlers today and they advised me that their inert rifles/ muskets are not totally altered now to make them inert, so it would be a new barrel instead of just drilling the touch hole. So an inert one might not be the best idea in the long run.

I have also spoken to derbyshire arms who would do the browning to theirs for me. Do you guys brown the lock aswell or does that change colour after been fired several times.

I am 29, and always enjoyed an interest in the military. I spent 5 years as a Army Cadet in the Royal Signals, and I spent a few years running round various sites playing Airsoft games. I do have a young family with a 2 year old, but I doubt the Mrs would be interested in coming along.

I will have a think and see if I can get to one of the training days.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You dont want to brown the lock. Just the barrel, ramrod and sling swivels .
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave

It's a big no-no to brown the lock it's just the barrel.  My Barrel is still silver and I do have the browning solution to do it with I'm just trying to pluck up the courage to do it.  
I to have a young family, I've got two boys one four and the other is seven months, I came to my first event 2 weeks before I got married with my now wife and she hated it, it was probly due to the mud and rain all weekend, and she didnt go to another event that year but I dragged her along to one of the training evnts after and she hasnt looked back since, much to my annoyance may I add.  One of the other guys has got a little one and another on the way aswell and there are quite a few older kids in the unit and they keep each other busy which allows us bigger kids to have our fun!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave,

When you talk to suppliers, refer to the non-firing weapons as 'Wallhangers'. I think inert weapons are ones that used to fire and have then been buggered up to never fire again.

You could check out a french company called Armae
http://www.armae.com/Zenglish/napoleonic/napoleonic_empire_frame.htm

They do them as wallhangers at around 400 (which seems expensive as you can get a 'live' one for a bit more) but I believe the sword comes with it (seperately priced in some companies between 90-120)

Failing that, you could just wait and see if the bug gets you and if it does, just go straight for a licensed live gun.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dave and welcome to our forum. I think all your questions have been anwsered by the other guys so I won't repeat whats been said other than try an come along to one of our training weekends.

As for commitment that is down to you. We have guys who attend one or two events a year and we have thoses who are sad muppets who attend anything and everything, I fall into this group myself as I don't have a life. My wife said when I first started re-enacting "your never get me dressing and camping", ten years later she is on our committee and helps org the food side of things.

Please feel free to contact us if you have any other questions or need any further advise and I hope to see you at one of our training weekends.

Regards

Serjt Dave
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers

I think I have given up on the idea of a wall hanger for the time being.

I know you will have been asked many times before but can someone give me a run down of starting cost.

1) I know there will the cost of the rifle, bayonet, licence and gun cabinet and the boots.

2) what will the basic uniform cost with the leatherwork and shako.

3) Also what does the costs of the events come to, ie food, black powder etc.

Thanks
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dave. Once you join you don't go straight into the ranks, so whilst your training you will wear a undress uniform, foraging cap, gaiters and stock which works out at 115. We produce about 90% of all the kit in house which helps keeps the cost down. Apart from the rifle and sword the only other items we don't make ourselves is the footwear and canteen. The regimental siut is 170, leather work is 85 and regimental cap is 61.

When at an event your food works out at a pound a meal, powder is supplied but at some events we ask for 2 levey.

If you fill in the on line recuiting form you will be send all the basic details etc.

Hope this helps

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all

I have filled out an online form as per your advice.

One thing can someone please measure their rifle and provide me with the exact measurement from butt to muzzle.

I am looking at the requirement for a gun cabinet, and I would like the smallest that I can get away with using.

Don't worry, I am not spending any money on anything until at least I have spent some time at some training events.

I am just looking into all the requirements etc.

Cheers Dave
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My British Infantry Rifle (Baker) is 145cm. Some firearms officers will permit a single smoothbore weapon to be attached to a wall/floor ringbolt with an appropriate cable. I'm not sure if this is much cheaper than a cabinet though. Check with your local force if you intend to explore that route.
Warning- if you come to Bolsover you will be hooked. Its a great event with lots of redcoats. Weather permitting, we usually allow the 33rd to humiliate us at cricket, so another Yorkshireman on our side woud be helpful.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave,

You could check out 'clamps' as well - Good if you have an attic.

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