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PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 8:58 am    Post subject: The Red Coat / Other Ranks (existing examples)  Reply with quote

I am helping a friend who is compiling a reference list of all known red coats to common soldiers. This is focussed on regulars and embodied militia, no other auxiliaries are included, but foreign units in British regular service are (KGL etc).

Here is the first rough list:
1) Coat, 1st Foot Guards, Russia.
2) Coat,  Drummer, Coldstream Guards, Russia.
3) Coat 9th Regiment of Foot, Musee Royal de l’Armee et Histoire Militaire,             Bruxelles.
4) Coat, 26th Regiment of Foot, Musee Royal de l’Armee et Histoire Militaire,  Bruxelles.
5) Coat 26th Regiment of Foot, Musee de l’Emperi, Salon de Provance.
6) Coat, 42nd Regiment of Foot, Boradino?
7) Coat 43rd Regiment of Foot, Russia?
8 ) Coat, 69th Regiment of Foot, Cardiff
9) Coat, 83rd Regiment of Foot,  Musee de l’Emperi, Salon de Provance.
10) Coat, 83rd Regiment of Foot,  Musee de l’Armee, Paris.
11) Coat, 87th Regiment of Foot, Royal Irish Fusileers Museum, Armaagh.
12) Coat 104th New Brunswick Regiment, War of 1812. Cape Ann Museum, U.S.A.
13) Coat, Light coy, Militia Regiment,  Musee Royal de l’Armee et Histoire Militaire, Bruxelles.
14) Coat, Drummer, Northumberland Militia, Alnwick Castle.
15) Coat, Drummer, Royal Carmarthen Militia, Cardiff  Castle.  
16) Coat, Royal Lancashire Militia (author’s speculation)  Delft
17) Coats, King’s German Legion (4 various) Celle


Any more suggestions?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A worthy project - it would be wonderful to have detailed digital photos of them all !  
The list seems much as expected  - drawing on G A Stepplers study ' Redcoat : the Regimental coat of the British Infantryman 1808 -  15 ' - with the additional info from Cardiff Castle museum so wonderfully photographed by Rob Yuill - available on the 68th FB page.

'Gregger' shows photos of  Sergeant Major's coat in Inverness 72/ 73rd Foot ??   - this on the recent NCO distinctions topic. I presume by Inverness this is Fort George?

PLEASE  PLEASE  - DOES ANY ONE KNOW THE WHERABOUTS OF THE RUSSIAN HELD COATS?? ANY PHOTOS ?? It would be wonderful to see images of the Coldstream drummers coat.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The intention is to examine all of the coats. It will be good for a Brit to do a detailed study, since all the best work so far has been done by Steppler, Chartrand etc.
Fort George SM noted. Any more?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Borodino:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BlackWatch_Jacket_(Borodino_Battlefield_Museum).jpg

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The coats in Celle are:
17 A) Grenadier Sjt, 4th KGL Line Battalion. Grenades on turnbacks, chevrons on one sleeve.
17 B) Light Coy Colour Sjt, 7th KGL Line Battalion. Bugle diamonds on top of wings.
17 C) Battalion Coy Sjt, 4th KGL Line Battalion.
17 D) dolman, Sjt. Major, 3rd KGL Hussars (strictly speaking not relevant for this list)

There is also
18) Corporals coat, 1st KGL Heavy Dragoons, Historiches Museum Hannover

(a slightly odd coat supposedly for a KGL surgeon at the Hamburg History Museum falls outside of this, mention it just in case it's not known here)

When I visited, I was certain that the one in Fort George Ardersier was identified as for 78th Foot, ie. "Ross-shire Buffs"?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2016 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the Deutsche Historische Museum in Berlin of possible interest:
19) Private, Flank Company, possibly Militia, pre 1800.
20) Private, 1st Royal Dragoons, given as 1787/1796, with shoulder epaulette

The remnant photos of the pre-1945 Collection also shows one full length late 18th C grenadier coat, possibly Coldstream Guards and now in Russia?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How far back are you going Ben? A OR coat of the 1st Foot Guards dated to 1773 is in the National Trust collections, part of the Snowshill Wade stuff - image here - http://www.nationaltrustcollections.org.uk/object/1350640

Says in the blurb there's an identical coat in the NAM, which may be that drawn by Lawson on p 51 of Vol 3 of his 'History of the Uniforms of the British Army'. I notice there's nothing from NAM in your list?

Can I ask - any more details of your no 16? Where in Delft? Which author? Lancs Militia being of interest to me ...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the additions chaps, Ola, Richard, and Hew (pm). Keep them coming please. The focus for the study is French revolutionary and napoleonic wars, regular and embodied militia infantry regiments, up to sergeant in rank, but other stuff is also interesting to me. Love the Snowhill coat.
I will keep you updated on Delft, Richard. The NAM doesn't have anything that fits the criteria afaik. It's rich in officers' coats, poor for common soldiers' stuff.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is a blue coat allowed? Warrington Bluebacks coatee Lancashire Infantry Museum

http://www.lancashireinfantrymuse.../Warrington-Volunteers-Coate1.jpg
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

21) Late 1790s ORs coat, royal blue facings, majority of buttons marked "Gloucester Local Militia", also minority of buttons marked "crowned 5 LNC" and "Royal Stockport" over the Prince of Wales arms and "LM".
May have been tampered with after service use.

(Also one blue coat with red collar, yellow lace, Britannia buttons, volunteers?)
Both Coats in Bergen Historical Museum.
Images from the Yearbook of the Norwegian Arms and Armour Society.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This coat is in the collection of the Canadian War Museum in Ottawa. It is thought to be a Quebec Militia unit, grenadier company.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are images of a coat that I believe is in a private collection, if anyone knows anymore about it - please share.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a Royal Nova Scotia militia coat at the Citadel in Halifax, Nova Scotia. The cut indicates it is an early version (ca. 1800).
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"  21) Late 1790s ORs coat, royal blue facings, majority of buttons marked "Gloucester Local Militia", also minority of buttons marked "crowned 5 LNC" and "Royal Stockport" over the Prince of Wales arms and "LM".
May have been tampered with after service use.
(Also one blue coat with red collar, yellow lace, Britannia buttons, volunteers?) "

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Interesting! Can I ask where these two are? No Local Militia till 1808, so must have been tampered with if late 1790's. Both Gloucestershire and Cheshire (Stockport) Local Militia used the blue facings of their county militia regiments, so hard to guess where this started life. Any lace on it? "5 LNC" has me stumped at the moment ...
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard Warren wrote:
Can I ask - any more details of your no 16? Where in Delft? Which author? Lancs Militia being of interest to me ...

My first post on this forum...

The coat in Delft would probably be that in the Dutch Army Museum. This has merged with the Air Force Museum and is currently located in Soesterberg. Here is a link to a coat they have in their collection:

https://www.nmm.nl/zoeken-in-de-collectie/detail/256522/


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